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Matt Westwood · 2 replies
[x] Guests with ego problems
Matt Westwood
16 years ago
Aug 1, 2008 - 10:45pm
So a band (for example, The Dorks) record an album, and on one or two tracks they employ a guest kazoo player Martin Spangle. The album gets released, bombs.
30 years later, Martin Spangle, having then been a moderately successful session musician all his life, decides to release a retrospective album including the track(s) he guested on with The Dorks, and bills this track / these tracks as by "Martin Spangle And The Dorks".
Does this count as a new band / collab? Martin Spangle has not actually released anything under his own name, so "Martin Spangle And The Dorks" would normally appear as a "new band". But he was blatantly a guest on the original recording.
The situation occurs with "Brian Hopper with Beggars' Farm":
[calyx.club.fr] http://calyx.club.fr/mus/hopper_brian.html
30 years later, Martin Spangle, having then been a moderately successful session musician all his life, decides to release a retrospective album including the track(s) he guested on with The Dorks, and bills this track / these tracks as by "Martin Spangle And The Dorks".
Does this count as a new band / collab? Martin Spangle has not actually released anything under his own name, so "Martin Spangle And The Dorks" would normally appear as a "new band". But he was blatantly a guest on the original recording.
The situation occurs with "Brian Hopper with Beggars' Farm":
[calyx.club.fr] http://calyx.club.fr/mus/hopper_brian.html
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scott
16 years ago
Aug 2, 2008 - 12:22am
I enjoyed reading this.
I say it gets in. Who are we to judge whether Hopper's contribution was negligent? The band name says it all for our purposes.
I say it gets in. Who are we to judge whether Hopper's contribution was negligent? The band name says it all for our purposes.
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Mark
16 years ago
Aug 2, 2008 - 1:05am
[www.voiceprint.co.uk]
http://www.voiceprint.co.uk/web/Release/VP145CD/
shows the album in question, I think.
I have to admit that I'm a little suspicious of this as a possible entry. The "with" language seems to preserve the "guest" aspect of the recording. On the original release, Hopper was a guest of the band. Here on the reissue, the perspective is flipped and the band seems to be his guest. I know that we sometimes recognize "with" as a joining word (for bands or collaborations), but it also sometimes distinguishes the band from obvious guests. See, for example: [farm2.static.flickr.com] http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1413/1120282633_db57d0d748.jpg
I have to admit that I'm a little suspicious of this as a possible entry. The "with" language seems to preserve the "guest" aspect of the recording. On the original release, Hopper was a guest of the band. Here on the reissue, the perspective is flipped and the band seems to be his guest. I know that we sometimes recognize "with" as a joining word (for bands or collaborations), but it also sometimes distinguishes the band from obvious guests. See, for example: [farm2.static.flickr.com] http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1413/1120282633_db57d0d748.jpg
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