Mark Four: Work All Day

We're trying to establish the lineup on this single, released in Feb 66. The general consensus is that John Dalton and Mick Thompson left the band on Oct 31st 65, after which they were replaced by Bob Garner and they called themselves The Creation.

Does anyone know whether Garner was on Work All Day, or whether it had been recorded with the Dalton / Thompson lineup before Oct 31st 1965 and just got delayed?

Some sites with background info and possibly conflicting info:

[www.makingtime.co.uk] http://www.makingtime.co.uk/creation.html

[www.john-dalton.com] http://www.john-dalton.com/mk4.htm

[www.littlestevensundergroundgarage.com] http://www.littlestevensundergroundgarage.com/british/creations.html
(interesting video footage here of The Creation, supposed to be the first band with a guitarist who played his guitar with a fiddle bow.)

These two say Garner came afterward.

[www.ready-steady-go.org.uk] http://www.ready-steady-go.org.uk/creation1.html
There then came a couple of line up changes as original members of Jimmy Virgo & the Blue Jacks fell by the wayside and the band released their final single in February 1996. Work all day (sleep all night) b/w Going down fast was released on Fontana and were two more originals which began to hint at their future direction.

The Mark Four soon located to London and found a manager, Tony Stratton-Smith who suggested the three piece add bassist Bob Garner to complete the line up.

[www.makingtime.co.uk] http://www.makingtime.co.uk/markfour.html
Vocals - Kenny Pickett, guitar - Eddie Phillips, guitar - Norman Miffin, bass - John Dalton, drums - Jack Jones

The Mark Four was formed in the Hertfordshire/North London area. Norman Miffin left in late 1964 to be replaced by Eddie Phillips. This group released four singles before Dalton left to join the Kinks and Thompson abandoned music altogether. Bob Garner then joined the band. He had previously played with the Merseybeats and Tony Sheridan.

That ready-steady-go link seems to suggest that the last single was recorded as a 3-piece, i.e. without Dalton and Thompson.

Interestingly, these links add weight to the suggestion (see adjacent thread in this forum) that Dalton *did* "join" the Kinks in 66 despite what Quaife claims.

I was thumbing through the chapter on the Creation in "Unknown Legends of Rock 'n' Roll" (pg. 34) and saw something that seems to support the 3-piece lineup:

"As the Mark Four, the group had already released a few flop singles (some of which featured future Kinks bassist John Dalton)."

Notice that is says "SOME of which..."

Also, i took another look at the John Dalton site. He mentions recording each of the first three singles but no mention of the fourth.

Oh wow. Perfect. You're a hero.