King Swamp

Looking for views really.

Was Nick Lashley a member of 'King Swamp' for their 'Wiseblood' album.
[kdrew.tripod.com] http://kdrew.tripod.com/kingswamp/pics.html is the definitive 'for' evidence
[home.gil.com.au] http://home.gil.com.au/~veejay/cdkingswamp.jpg is the 'against' (the 3 core members)#

.... but there's lots of other evidence about...

If I had to guess - I'd guess that Lashley was a quasi-member during recording, got co-opted to full status as it was finishing, wasn't pictured as a full member on the album.

However, and here's here my head hurts. At the very least, any single released from the album that featured Lashley will include him as a member. After all the press release says so, and he appears on the track.

So - can we have perverse position where the same music may have different line-ups attached to it? Or is it more correct to say that if he wasn't when it was recorded - then he can never be a member on it. Or better to follow the band's obvious intent and bend the rules in favour of him entering?

Why's it important? Ask Soldier, Gaskin or Ace Lane - and possibly a few other NWOBHM acts not yet in the dB..........

I don't see the source that states that Lashely wasn't a member on this release, could you post that? The Virgin press release states:

"When King Swamp needed an additional guitarist to tour after the first album, mild-mannered Nick Lashley arrived..."

Wiseblood appears to be the second album so it seems that he was already a member. Am I reading this wrong? The press photos definitely favor the "member" status as well. The issue of the cover art with only 3 guys may be a red herring as the other two may appear on the back cover. That is the case with this album which only shows 2 of the 4 members on the front with the other two on the back:
[bandtoband.com] http://bandtoband.com/index.php?Page=Search&AlbumId=4597
(fun fact: the photo used for that cover is the wrong line-up, one of the members is wrong)

If you could point out the source that makes you think Lashley wasn't a member that would help.

In terms of the same piece of music having two line-ups associated with it, Mark and I discussed this possiblility one time and agreed on at least one case: a band's recording line-up should be reflected on singles from that album even if the single did not contain any auditory participation by some of those members. For example, there's a guitar / drum solo track on the album that is released as a single. It would be incorrect to list only two of the members as the line-up because that recording line-up was the full band although the full band may not have appeared on that track.

In this case however it is a bit different and the album would have two line-ups and the single would only feature the first of the two but have credited the second. In this case I would over-rule what the credits say as we know for certain that they are incorrect by our Rule set.


Kevin

[www.shriekback.com] http://www.shriekback.com/p20_king_swamp.htm (pics from 'Wiseblood' album show just 3)
[members.tripod.com] http://members.tripod.com/kdrew/king_swamp.html (band members show Cozzi & Lashley as 'additional guitars')

I agree with most of your reading of the possibilities but think this case is much more arguable. If Lashley appears on a single released from the album and the band say he is a member when it gets released - it seems to me arguable that he could be included as a member.

Ugh, the back cover only solidifies the 3 member line-up arguement and now I'm starting to lean in that direction for the sake of conservatism. When in doubt, I don't like to start making assumptions.

I've emailed Nick Lashely from the contact information email on his personal site: [www.nicklashley.com] http://www.nicklashley.com/index-flash.html
to see if he can shed any light on the situation. Have you tried contacting anyone else in the band? That might be our only saving grace at this point.


Kevin

One possible saviour could be that there are remixes on the single. Now assuming (but it's not a big assumption) that those remixes were done after the album (and we know Lashley joined as / before the album was being released) then surely he's;
1) a member
2) on the single
and 3) the music wasn't finished before he became a member.

It gets hard to knock him out then - no?